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gsjohnny
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| 17 Aug 2010 10:32 PM |
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because of wetland issues tying me up for space for MY garage, i am using the basement as MY garage. i have all sorts of equipment and machines, race cars, show car, tractor, dozer, etc. and my current garage has a lift in it. will be putting in another lift. thats why 12ft high.
being a former r&d experimental machinist, i tend to look at things a little different. actually i try to look thru them to see how things are and why and how can i change it.
back to the Wales, MA house. thats some pretty neat stuff you guys have listed. talking about load levels i have no clue on. if i can see and touch it, i would have a better idea of how much it would hold.(old time machinist talk). i will check the products out. but still nobody around here that builds steel frame homes.
btw, when i signed up here, i got a bunch of spam. sheesh. i would love to meet those people personally just so i could take my time and break their fingers into a millon little pieces. 
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Bruce Frey
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| 17 Aug 2010 11:17 PM |
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Posted By gsjohnny on 17 Aug 2010 10:32 PM
because of wetland issues tying me up for space for MY garage, i am using the basement as MY garage. i have all sorts of equipment and machines, race cars, show car, tractor, dozer, etc. and my current garage has a lift in it. will be putting in another lift. thats why 12ft high.
being a former r&d experimental machinist, i tend to look at things a little different. actually i try to look thru them to see how things are and why and how can i change it.
back to the Wales, MA house. thats some pretty neat stuff you guys have listed. talking about load levels i have no clue on. if i can see and touch it, i would have a better idea of how much it would hold.(old time machinist talk). i will check the products out. but still nobody around here that builds steel frame homes.
btw, when i signed up here, i got a bunch of spam. sheesh. i would love to meet those people personally just so i could take my time and break their fingers into a millon little pieces.
john Some questions because I am still not sure of what your intent is: Does the 80 x 30 include the 2 car garage? Is the garage on the same level as the shop or above the shop? Is your lot is sloped so you can "drive in" to the 12' high basement shop (like a walk out basement) .....or do you need the hoist to put your toys on the basement from the garage? I ask these because I wanted to do a 4 car garage plus shop space but because our lot is on a 20% slope, I am thinking of a 3 car garage with a same size shop below it in the walk out basement level with a lift so a 4th car can be downstairs. The motorcycles can go down and around to the back shop entrance. My span is 27' which I hope to do in concrete. If you don't need 12' in the entire basement, you can save some money by doing it over a smaller area. Bruce |
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ilgeo
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| 18 Aug 2010 05:24 AM |
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as far as loads etc your lumber yard will be able to differ to the mfg for engineering assistance. Steel beams same thing around here we have specialty contractors known as structural steel erectors that will take your print, size the beam according to load and span, and install the beam and columns before the carpenters start framing the house. If you cant live with 2 or 3 posts in the basement you could run main beams across the 30' dim every 20' and use tji's that any carpenter can work with. If you are going to have a shop below a house it will be quite difficult to keep shop oders out of the house. Radiant heat on both levels with a top down ac would be best along with careful sealing between the two spaces and good ventilation in the shop. Also noise and vibration will need to be addressed if that would be an issue with your wife..just my thoughts...Eric |
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gsjohnny
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| 19 Aug 2010 10:35 PM |
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bruce,
the house plan we like has a 2 car garage. the lot drops 2 ft right from the road and then wallows down. we will have the foundation at least 18" higher than the road which makes my 12' basement possible. i will have a 2 car garage door for my entry. some of my stuff i can roll around because of lack of use. the machine shop is off to a corner.
as far as odors go, i will take care of that part. noise.....she complains now at 150' away with both the house and garage insulated. there is no such thing as a 'quiet racecar'. lol |
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ilgeo
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| 20 Aug 2010 12:34 AM |
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No race cars are not quite, but I was more concerned about the everyday stuff like an air compressor machine tools , impact gun the kind of stuff that becomes annoying if your not the one using them. So how much of the basement will be exposed? Eric |
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phoenix_heating_seattle
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| 20 Aug 2010 01:23 AM |
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I did a job for a guy who had steel framing, by the end of the job I was completely against it. It was expensive and made the HVAC and plumbing a nightmare. In the end the heating system did not operate to its optimum potential because of all the twists and turns. The home owner regretted it for many reasons that I cant recall. |
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cmkavala
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| 20 Aug 2010 07:25 AM |
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Posted By phoenix_heating_seattle on 20 Aug 2010 01:23 AM
I did a job for a guy who had steel framing, by the end of the job I was completely against it. It was expensive and made the HVAC and plumbing a nightmare. In the end the heating system did not operate to its optimum potential because of all the twists and turns. The home owner regretted it for many reasons that I cant recall. All we do is interior steel framing, the key is planning in any job no matter if it is wood or steel, we have never had a complaint from any plumber or HVAC sub, we have had some resistance from electricians that have never dealt with steel studs. The HVAC system should never be compromised because of framing, the framing needs to adapt to the requirements of the HVAC system, thru additional chases / bulkheads needed to conceal the ducting. Steel provides straighter, rot & termite proof, fire resistant walls and provide cleaner indoor air quality |
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cmkavala
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| 20 Aug 2010 07:30 AM |
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From Steel Framing Alliance:
Because: STEEL BUILDS BETTER STRUCTURES
There are many reasons why steel framing has come to the forefront as one of the best and most feasible alternative building materials for residential and commercial construction. Steel is a Superior Construction Material
- Highest strength-to-weight ratio of any building material
- 100% recyclable
- 68% industry recycling rate
- Non-combustible - does not burn nor contribute fuel to the spread of a fire
- Inorganic - will not rot, warp, split, crack or creep
- Dimensionally stable - does not expand or contract with moisture content
- Consistent material quality - produced in strict accordance with national standards, no regional variations
Benefits to the Builder
- Substantial discounts on builders risk insurance
- Lighter than other framing materials
- Noncombustible
- Easy material selection - no need to cull or sort the pile and small punch list.
- Saves job-site time with ease of panelization off-site
- Straight walls and square corners
- Windows and doors open and close as they should
- Less scrap and waste (2% for steel vs. 20% for lumber)
- Price stability - price spikes are extremely rare
- Consumer perceives steel as better
Benefits to the Consumer
There are many reasons why homeowners are turning to steel framing:
- High strength results in safer structures, less maintenance and slower aging of structure
- Fire safety
- Not vulnerable to termites
- Not vulnerable to any type of fungi or organism, including mold
- Less probability of foundation problems - less weight results in less movement
- Less probability of damage in an earthquake
- Lighter structure with stronger connections results in less seismic force
- Less probability of damage in high winds
- Stronger connections, screwed versus nailed
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Jelly
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| 20 Aug 2010 08:13 AM |
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I can't imagine how steel framing could make plumbing and HVAC more difficult. I've been working with it on my current project and so far it has made everything easier. |
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Alton
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| 20 Aug 2010 01:59 PM |
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Even wood framing can be a pain to deal with when no one plans for space for the big HVAC ducts. I have seen housewifes almost in tears when the HVAC installer took the bottom half of a closet for the return air.
By the way Chris, would you change from steel to fiberglass studs when they reach prime time. It should be soon and they, like a lot of other new technologies, promise to be less costly, stronger and lighter than steel. There is a company in Florida that should soon start producing fiberglass components for the whole house.
I do not sell anything and mostly donate my time, but if anyone is interested and want to follow this company's progress, then e-mail me. |
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cmkavala
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| 20 Aug 2010 05:53 PM |
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Alton;
always interested in new technology, especially non-wood, are they bearing & non-load bearing? I am still looking for a competitive non-wood alternative to 3/4" T&G plywood. |
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Jelly
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| 20 Aug 2010 06:44 PM |
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Alton, very interesting - I would have thought fiberglass studs would be a lot heavier than steel? Plastic is a good choice anywhere you want something to last forever, like construction or art.
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Alton
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| 20 Aug 2010 08:42 PM |
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Jelly,
Now that I have gone back and looked at their web site I see that I may be wrong about fiberglass studs being lighter than steel studs. The ones I had in my hands felt light. After checking their web site I see the wording now is lighter than wood, stronger than steel, with the ability to withstand over 350 MPH winds. Here is the web site:
www.cbs-homes.com. I have no connection to this company but I have stayed in touch with this company for some time. They plan to offer builders a service unlike most new products. If anyone objects to my posting this web-site then I will consider removing that part of my posting.
Everyone let me know what you think about this product and service. Will it make it to primetime? |
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jonr
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| 20 Aug 2010 09:20 PM |
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There are a lot of ways to measure "stronger". So I'd want to see more details on that aspect.
I find it somewhat interesting that boat construction has similar issues - concrete or steel or fiberglass or wood or foam core or aluminum - or even inflatable :-). |
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Alton
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| 20 Aug 2010 09:38 PM |
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Jonr,
You lost me when you were talking about similar issues. Please elaborate.
This link has specifications for their technology: http://www.cbs-homes.com/Lit-Specifications.htm
Of course, I can not vouch for any of the specs.
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cmkavala
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| 20 Aug 2010 10:00 PM |
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Alton;
if their testing is strictly "in house" it won't get them very far. As you know third party is needed for any accreditation. the "in excess of 350 mph" tornado claim seems a little far fetched.
I can see the fiberglass parts, but am not sure what the sheathing is, unless I missed it. If you have been following it maybe you can explain the system a little better than their website shows |
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Alton
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| 21 Aug 2010 09:29 AM |
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Chris,
I agree with you on independent testing being critical. At this point in time I can not speak about the sheathing for above ground walls. I can only refer you to what has been published (public knowledge). Look at this link for insight into how they will do basement walls: http://www.cbs-homes.com/Product-Basements.htm I do understand that the builder will have some options for the various parts that make up a panel. |
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cmkavala
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| 21 Aug 2010 10:08 AM |
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Alton;
the information says that the "board" meets Miami-Dade hurricane impact tests, it says nothing about the "system". I also did a search and cannot find where their system has any "Florida Product" approvals. which is needed for use in Florida.
Hard to tell at this point if it is a viable system or not |
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rustyjames
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| 21 Aug 2010 11:02 AM |
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I don't see fiberglass ever being viable as steel. It's nasty to work with if you have to cut or drill it; it's combustable, with a rich, toxic smoke. More importantly, what about the value of being able to recycle after its usefull lifespan? |
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Alton
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| 21 Aug 2010 07:48 PM |
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I believe construction technologies are like wine - they can not be rushed especially in the State of Florida. I will continue to stay abreast of CBS-Homes progress. In the meantime, I will use systems that are available.
RustyJames, it is my understanding that this company does not plan to sell individual pieces to be cut in the field. They will prepare a package for the builder to include everything that the builder wants. They intend to deliver and erect the shell within two weeks after the order has been placed.
Regarding recycling fiberglass, it is also my understanding that all pieces are cut to size in the plant without much waste. I believe I remember them telling me that they can reuse the fiberglass sawdust. I also understand that this company's quote can be valid for quite a while since the price of sand is fairly stable and the amount of resin used is limited. |
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