Structural Concrete Insulated Panel SCIP
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09 Mar 2013 09:41 AM
A set-ahead strategy coupled with time of day pricing could result in major savings in those houses without any loss in comfort, assuming that set points err on the side of "cold."


72F is too cold and 80F is too hot. How do you come up with "no loss in comfort".


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09 Mar 2013 10:39 AM
Well, the Tmass walls never got to 80, so let's set out temp range at 70-76. The average diurnal swing in Borrego Springs in July and August is 75 to 107. I'm thinking you neighbors would find excuses to visit.


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09 Mar 2013 11:50 AM
BTW, FBBP, it's not hard to use passive solar and mass to design a building that can't freeze. My garage has an east-facing 16' door with frosted lexan windows. With no heat, it has never been colder than 49.


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09 Mar 2013 12:34 PM
Posted By toddm on 09 Mar 2013 11:50 AM
BTW, FBBP, it's not hard to use passive solar and mass to design a building that can't freeze. My garage has an east-facing 16' door with frosted lexan windows. With no heat, it has never been colder than 49.


With outside temps at minus 35ºf??


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09 Mar 2013 02:22 PM
First off what counts is the average daily temperature. In my part of the world, it's 32 in January, so the combination of mass plus passive solar results in at least plus 17 for my garage. Alice is near Boulder, which is a bit warmer at a mean Jan average of 33 degrees.http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMONtavt.pl?coboul Gettysburg Pa and Denver are roughly the same latitude. Boulder is higher in elevation but much sunnier, which, of course, makes freeze proof design easier.


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09 Mar 2013 04:02 PM
Alice is above Idaho Springs by Saint Mary's Glacier.
Boulder is like a banana belt compared to ST Mary's Glacier area.
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Alice is well above Boulder and another zone or two colder.
Looks close by map but when you can go from 5,000 elevation to 12,000 in less than an hour climate zones change fast.
Alice is 10,000+ Denver/Boulder are 5,000 +/- less in elevation .


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09 Mar 2013 05:52 PM
My bad. But according to the Denver Post, they claim zero energy with what sounds like solar hot water circulating in the concrete.


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09 Mar 2013 09:06 PM
We do get a lot of sunny days. Today 32 and 10" of snow tomorrow Sunny high 40s? then fifty's to sixty's till the next snow.


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12 Mar 2013 12:00 AM
Can you add Thermal mass skin to a ICF Like a SCIP Panel? If so there is your un-insulated thermal mass. You have to finish the wall anyway, you can not just leave the foam unfinished.


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12 Mar 2013 02:45 AM
European General guidelines for using thermal mass
in concrete buildings.

http://www.bibm.eu/Documenten/ECP%20General%20Guidelines%20for%20Using%20Thermal%20Mass%20in%20Concrete%20Buildings%20(PM%2029%2004%2009).pdf


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12 Mar 2013 01:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crxtqSVTeLk&feature=youtu.be Pretty cool continuous panel construction line. It will take education and more supply like this for SCIPS to get a good foothold in the U.S.


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12 Mar 2013 02:42 PM
slenzen Thanks I made my own panels I did it once and that was enough at four per hour. Picture on left me making the first panel. Picture on right making the first 12" deep floor panels with 18" roof to follow. It took so much more force we had to weld more supports and stiffeners.


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12 Mar 2013 04:44 PM
Posted By Richard Sims on 12 Mar 2013 12:00 AM
Can you add Thermal mass skin to a ICF Like a SCIP Panel? If so there is your un-insulated thermal mass. You have to finish the wall anyway, you can not just leave the foam unfinished.


Yeah - its call brick ;-))


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17 Mar 2013 02:26 AM
Posted By FBBP on 12 Mar 2013 04:44 PM
Posted By Richard Sims on 12 Mar 2013 12:00 AM
Can you add Thermal mass skin to a ICF Like a SCIP Panel? If so there is your un-insulated thermal mass. You have to finish the wall anyway, you can not just leave the foam unfinished.


Yeah - its call brick ;-))


FBBP It was a serious question but mag board sip panel may solve the problems faster and cleaner than ICFs.


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24 Mar 2013 08:54 AM
Can you add Thermal mass skin to a ICF Like a SCIP Panel?


Sure, you can also apply shotcrete to an ICF. But you might as well use SCIPs....


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28 Mar 2013 01:50 AM
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29 Mar 2013 09:40 PM
What sort of coating would one apply to a SCIP roof with a low slope? I want to basically paint a waterproofing onto my planned roof. Thorolastic appears to be for vertical walls, but that is the current suggestion of the architect/builder.


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29 Mar 2013 10:28 PM
Posted By cathsand on 29 Mar 2013 09:40 PM
What sort of coating would one apply to a SCIP roof with a low slope? I want to basically paint a waterproofing onto my planned roof. Thorolastic appears to be for vertical walls, but that is the current suggestion of the architect/builder.


Take a look at http://www.foundationarmor.com/armo...te-sealer/  

If there are no cracks in the concrete and the PSI is around 4500, then more than likely you will not need any waterproofing.  My suggestion is to let the roof cure for at least 30 days, then pressure wash the concrete roof while checking for leaks.  If no leaks, then waterproofing can be postponed.

I mention Armor L3000 because it penetrates the concrete.  UV and foot traffic on the roof should not degrade it.


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29 Mar 2013 10:33 PM
Elastomeric roof paint?


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30 Mar 2013 09:09 AM
Consider something like "Sika® 1+ Liquid Water Resisting Admixture". Possibly two-part polyurethane painted on.


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