So, Quantam. Tell us a little about your ICF experience. How long you have been in the industry? How many projects under your "belt"?

I suspect you are relatively new based on your comments. I base this on how quick you are willing to "sling mud" in one of the closest and "tight knit" industries out there. I don't think you want to have this kind of reputation! I for one am not impressed with individuals who feel the need to point out others percieved faults, how about pointing out your own successes! Accusing people of being unscrupulous only makes you look petty. Spend your time building your business in a positive manner, and soon you will be respected amongst your peers. Continue this line of character assasination in a public forum and you will more than likely be working in another line soon!

As the saying goes, "Check yourself before you wreck yourself".

My .02 worth.

Another thought:

Please enlighten me how pcoughlin explaining to someone that he may be paying too much for a particular block and to consider other options makes him/her unscrupulous?  Thought this was about taking care of the consumer?

My apologies to the starter of this thread for how it has been "hijacked".

You tried...and I thank you.  It would seem some people just don't get it that making false accusations against an individual as well as an entire company on a public forum taints all of us as well as gives the nervous homeowner one more reason to turn from icf which is bad for everyone in the long run...and ultimately our planet.

Thanks again!

Quantum- You dissapoint me. You don't even know me and automatically assume that we are 'unscrupulous' Logix dealers? Wow. Come on Quantum lets be real. Its not like were in black ski mask breaking into Arxx and Amvic offices stealing leads off their desk. I'm 24 years old and I fully understand what is ethical and what is not. What you are doing by coming onto this board and creating a bad name for people you don't even know is unethical in its self. Yes there are bad "actors" in the icf industry, are we one of them NO.

Lets keep this thread on topic.

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Regards,

Thanks for the input concretewalls, but don't worry about me. Check some of my other posts here to get an idea of my experience. Make no mistake, I will willfully out unscrupulous practitioners. Sounds like you're in this category too, concretewalls.

pcoughlin, you and concretewalls have here defended stealing leads and not honoring their source, and I hear icfgal has done this. I think that all manufacturers reps would be very interested to have this sort of information. 'Sling mud'? You both admit to this unscrupulous practice, so how is this slinging mud?

Quantum,

Don't start a battle you don't have the "troops" to fight!  You crossed the line here and I am sure the admin/moderator on this site has seen that too!

Since you have defamed and libeled 2 companies by name, I would not be suprised if you will be contacted legally soon!  As for me, I really don't care what you think about me.  My businsess will be fine!

Have a nice weekend!

Troops? What's this got to do with troops? You think you're in a war?

As I say, you do not need to worry about me, concretewalls. I am only pointing out what is dishonest behavior in my opinion. All the better for the industry!

I am sure your crusade to rid the ICF world of who you feel are unscrupulous distributors and installers by outing them by name will endear you to everyone on this site!

Have Fun!

May be. Certainly won't endear me to you three, though.

Thats the best laugh I have had all day. 

Thanks!

{yawn}

I do not think you are being honest with us, concretewalls. This is just getting tedious.

"pcoughlin, you and concretewalls have here admitted that you don't mind stealing leads and do not honor their source, and I know icfgal has done this several times. I think that all manufacturers reps would be very interested to have this sort of information. 'Sling mud'? You both admit to this unscrupulous practice, so how is this slinging mud? Since this lead theft doesn't bother you, what else do you three do that is unscrupulous, hm?"

NOT ONCE did I say I was STEALING leads, nor did I state that is what our company practices. You took the 'leads are leads' thing the wrong way and exaggerated it into your own 'e-thugging' fantasy of outing fellow members of the ICF community. Quantum I think you owe me and others on this board an apology.

No, what you said pcoughlin, was very clear to all. You defended lead theft as an acceptable business practice.. With this reflexive acceptance it is apparent that you condone it.

You can't rewrite history now, pcoughlin.

Quantum,

Please enlighten me where in any of my post's I have advocated stealing leads.  Go back and review them.

I'll wait for your apology!

Quantum it seems your always going to have the last rebuttal. No where did I say I was stealing leads. My father and I are good people who practice ethical business. Your more than welcome to come to the next Logix training class and have icecream with us.

Since I started this thread, I feel somehow responsible for this. Let me start by saying that I am really greateful for all the info I get here from everybody, and I see this forum as a priceless source of information and inspiration. I am sure that also other homeowners interested in ICF are coming here to find answers or read previous threads.
I think that we all want the same thing: to build better houses, using this great ICF product. I kindly ask everyone involved in the last argument to try to make peace now, and look to the bright side of things: ICF is a great product, more people are using it, and we are all searching here for better ways of building. Let's keep it this way. You can always use other communication channels to solve/explain things that are kind of personal.
Again, many thanks to everyone, and take care!

Apparently two out of three have now cleaned up their acts, not to mention their posts.

I have already taken the classes pcoughlin, but thanks. As I say I like Logix, but can not use in my business because of who the local distributor is. There are too many trainwreck jobs done by uneducated installers, without adding unscrupulousness in my opinion into the mix.

ICF demands accuracy and self-discipline to a much greater degree than other trades. This is why we must raise the professionalism of dealers and particularly installers, and keep everybody honest.

No responsibility on your part eq1. We who have allowed this to go this way owe you and apology! ICF is an excellent way of building. Most of us are very concerned about our reputations since ICF at this time is such a small portion of the construction industry and our reputations are what "feed" our families. Unwarranted accusations of unethical behaviour can get us defensive quickly. Especially when an individual feels the need to defame companies by name in a public forum without warrant.

I do apologize for allowing this to digress in this manner.

And I have now removed names, as most of us now seem clear on this issue.