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toddm
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| 02 Oct 2012 02:38 PM |
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I am not judging the OP. He can build a storm shelter, bomb shelter or ark --whatever floats his boat. What he can't do is suggest that catching a wind-driven 2x4 up side the head is a common experience because it is not. |
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BrianBaron
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| 02 Oct 2012 04:30 PM |
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Posted By toddm on 02 Oct 2012 02:38 PM
I am not judging the OP. He can build a storm shelter, bomb shelter or ark --whatever floats his boat. What he can't do is suggest that catching a wind-driven 2x4 up side the head is a common experience because it is not.
Agreed.
To play the devil's advocate.... Would you agree that weather is on a pattern of becoming more extreme?
For example: I have family that lives in Western Mass, there had not been a tornado there in well over 60 years, in the course of one summer they had a very destructive tornado followed weeks later by a similarly destructive micro-burst. |
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toddm
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| 02 Oct 2012 05:08 PM |
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Scientists say that global warming is creating more extremes in weather. But it will still be long odds that a tornado will hit YOU specifically. Pick any spot in Tornado Alley and a funnel will pass over it on average every 1400 years. Incidence would have to increase 20 fold before you could expect to be hit by a tornado in your lifetime.
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Ray Gladstone
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| 02 Oct 2012 05:15 PM |
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Toddm's very smart and he likes to show it. But he's a troll. Please don't feed the trolls. |
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TexasICF
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| 02 Oct 2012 10:10 PM |
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Ray - here's some troll math for you: based on these numbers everyone living to 70 years of age would have a 1400/70 or 1/20 chance of being hit by a tornado. If tornados increased 20 fold everyone should expect to be hit by a tornado once. I don't know where these numbers came from but it sounds like tornados are a lot more dangerous than I thought.  |
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Lbear
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Posted By TexasICF on 02 Oct 2012 10:10 PM
Ray - here's some troll math for you: based on these numbers everyone living to 70 years of age would have a 1400/70 or 1/20 chance of being hit by a tornado. If tornados increased 20 fold everyone should expect to be hit by a tornado once. I don't know where these numbers came from but it sounds like tornados are a lot more dangerous than I thought.
Well said. They say that 70% of statistics are basically false or purposely misleading. A |
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toddm
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| 03 Oct 2012 08:42 AM |
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Make it lies, damn lies and ICF sales pitches, and we agree on something.
I've given you a good one, but I guess you didn't recognize it. ICF. It's bulletproof!
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ICFHybrid
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| 03 Oct 2012 09:37 AM |
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But he's a troll. Please don't feed the trolls. Posters need to be careful throwing ugly names around. Maybe you don't realize that a "troll" is someone who has no useful purpose, while toddm is a valuable contributor here. Moreover, personal attacks are not part of the GBT culture. I'd also point out that such behavior does not facilitate sales. |
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| 03 Oct 2012 10:36 AM |
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Even though there may be only a few tornados and a couple deaths per year in MN, it's the frequent tornado watches and warnings that are unsettling especially if you don't have a basement or if you live in a manufactured home. Been there many times as I have lake \ vacation property in MN including a property with a manufactured home and no basement. When the warnings are saying 'seek shelter immediately' what do you tell the kids - start mumbling off statistics? go lay in the bathtub?
It's usually the huge trees that kill people in tornados (or hurricanes for that matter). I have 3 60'+ oaks in felling distance from that manufactured home and I've already cut down 2 others in the last few years that were cracked \ leaning. And it certainly doesn't take a tornado to topple a weak tree. |
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toddm
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| 03 Oct 2012 01:02 PM |
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I lived in Texas for 20 years. An acquaintance had a panic attack every time the thunderheads built out over the prairie, which seemed to be twice a week in spring. There was nothing warm and fuzzy about her reaction, and, yes, statistics that make sense of random terror are a comfort. Crass sales speak is not. The one time my wife and daughter sought shelter, they went into the closet under the stairs as instructed. An interior hallway works too. The happy outcome was an object lesson in tornado risk. A miss by 100 yards is as good as a miss by 100 miles. |
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yayoubetcha
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| 04 Oct 2012 01:23 AM |
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I never suggested that getting hit in the head with a 2x4 was a common experience.
What I can tell you with firsthand experience is my home NOAA weather alarm goes off and the red light blinks "Tornado Warning" or Severe Thunderstorm Warning" at least 15 times a year. I can also tell you about that shiddy feeling I get when I am sitting the kitchen in my underwear at 2:30 in the morning trying to guess what time the worst part of the storm will hit my house. I can tell you how far my 60' tall oak trees can bend in a 75 mph wind and what hail sounds like when it is breaking my windows and smashing my roof. I can tell you how many bundles of shingles it takes to reroof my house because its been done 3 times. I can tell you what a tree sounds like when it hits my roof. I can tell you how tired I am at work the day after one of these storms rolls through and how many hours it takes to rake debris from my yard.
I cannot tell you why my neighbors across the street lost dozens of trees in this summers big storm and everyone on my side had no damage at all.
I guess maybe storms are unpredictable and for that reason I choose to be underground in a recliner watching Gilligans Island and not cowering in my half height basement wishing the big bad storm would go away. |
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yayoubetcha
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| 04 Oct 2012 01:29 AM |
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You should tell these people to seek shelter in an interior hallway. Maybe a few statistics on the low risk of getting hit by a tornado will bring them some reassurance.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110920_joplin.html |
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toddm
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| 04 Oct 2012 08:54 AM |
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Sounds like a storm shelter is a good investment for you. Two facts that might help: while tornadoes are rare overall, it is a rare tornado that causes fatalities, like 2 percent. And prime time for tornadoes is late afternoon and early evening. If you're dog tired driving to work, I'd wonder if leaving the NOAA alarm on at night is creating more risk. |
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theInvincible
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| 05 Oct 2012 11:22 PM |
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when you can´t get something, you talk badly about it, although you really would like to have it. |
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yayoubetcha
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| 12 Nov 2012 11:07 AM |
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We just had a few tornadoes over the weekend. One was less than a mile from my house. No fatalities but a fair amount of damage from falling trees and blowing debris. It would have been nice to have the shelter to go down to but maybe next year. Also there was no warning - nothing - no sirens, no NOAA radio - nothing. |
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yayoubetcha
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| 01 Apr 2013 01:27 AM |
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Well Spring is here....almost. Time to start planning my shelter and lining up products and suppliers. Has anyone on this site used a block made by Standard ICF Corp? They are made in my neck of the woods and I actually will be bringing some #6 polystyrene shipping waste to the plant for recycling. They sell for about $17.00 a block so they seem fairly priced. Any info on them would be greatly appreciated. |
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Lbear
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Posted By yayoubetcha on 01 Apr 2013 01:27 AM
Well Spring is here....almost. Time to start planning my shelter and lining up products and suppliers. Has anyone on this site used a block made by Standard ICF Corp? They are made in my neck of the woods and I actually will be bringing some #6 polystyrene shipping waste to the plant for recycling. They sell for about $17.00 a block so they seem fairly priced. Any info on them would be greatly appreciated.
I've never heard of them. Stick with the name brand ICF's or you will end up with A LOT of problems and headaches. Whatever few bucks you save on the forms will cost you tenfold more out in the field. Nudura is my favorite with Fox Block as #2. |
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Posted By Lbear on 01 Apr 2013 05:28 AM
Posted By yayoubetcha on 01 Apr 2013 01:27 AM
Well Spring is here....almost. Time to start planning my shelter and lining up products and suppliers. Has anyone on this site used a block made by Standard ICF Corp? They are made in my neck of the woods and I actually will be bringing some #6 polystyrene shipping waste to the plant for recycling. They sell for about $17.00 a block so they seem fairly priced. Any info on them would be greatly appreciated.
I've never heard of them. Stick with the name brand ICF's or you will end up with A LOT of problems and headaches. Whatever few bucks you save on the forms will cost you tenfold more out in the field.
According to the dates on their publications and web site they've been around 10+ years so they at least are not a "here today, gone tomorrow" business. They're a small company listing only two production plants, New England and MN. |
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yayoubetcha
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| 01 Apr 2013 11:26 PM |
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The factory that produces the block is owned by a company called Diversafoam. They must be on contract to make the product for Standard ICF. I was also looking at the Benchmark foam ICF blocks. I believe they produce the panels for Insuldeck but I am not sure. They are on the East side of South Dakota so travel and shipping won't kill my budget. |
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dmaceld
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Posted By yayoubetcha on 01 Apr 2013 11:26 PM
The factory that produces the block is owned by a company called Diversafoam. They must be on contract to make the product for Standard ICF. I was also looking at the Benchmark foam ICF blocks. I believe they produce the panels for Insuldeck but I am not sure. They are on the East side of South Dakota so travel and shipping won't kill my budget.
Most ICF blocks are made by contract molders. |
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