Fiber Mesh in ICF Wall Concrete
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22 Apr 2017 07:39 PM
Check out basalt products, from rebar to mesh. www.sudaglass.com
All the basalt products they sell bond better with cement based products than steel.
I learned about these products through a ferrocement group. It is suitable for thin shell cement products.
The rebar does not conduct electricity, is stronger than steel rebar, and lighter weight. It is easier to bend and comes in ~500' rolls. I plan to use a few of their products in a new home in the CO mountains.
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22 Apr 2017 09:02 PM
Easy to bend? My understanding is that tight bends must be done at the factory. Am I wrong?
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23 Apr 2017 07:27 PM
Yes, basalt rebar is easy to bend and it comes in rolls like GaryO indicated. The minimum bend radius issue you refer to can be addressed by using multiple smaller diameter basalt rebar. If you think of flexible steel cable, that's pretty much what basalt rebar is like...except that it's stronger than steel cable for a given diameter. The downside to basalt rebar is that it's more expensive than steel rebar and it's more difficult to obtain locally. We frequently use it for our fish screen bypass tank, hydraulic ram pump, small dam, and water wheel projects. We also use it for concrete cross flow turbine casings (which are normally fabricated using steel) when the client prefers to avoid casing shipping cost and/or wants to DIY build the casing onsite so as to only need the cross flow turbine steel runner. Anyhow, it is certainly the right product to use in harsh environments where steel rebar and Helix should not be used.
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29 Apr 2017 11:25 AM
#3 basalt GatorBar from http://www.neuvokascorp.com/ is selling for 18 cents per linear foot with a minimum order of 25,000 feet. How does that price compare to #3 steel rebar and Helix Micro-Rebar 5-25? I think the minimum factory radius is 3". The last cost I got for factory bending was 50 cents per foot. I think onsite bending is limited to a radius of 36". Two of my projects have use basalt rebar. The last I heard #3 GatorBar is shipped only in 20' lengths - not in a roll. So far Neuvokas makes only #3 basalt rebar.
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29 Apr 2017 12:14 PM
What would be the minimum thickness for a typical basement wall backfilled about 9' when using Helix and short rebar dowels to tie the wall to the footer?
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29 Apr 2017 12:19 PM
Is basalt or steel rebar required in lintels over doors and windows when using Helix Micro-Rebar?
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29 Apr 2017 04:51 PM
We have only used basalt rolls and we have done as small as a 6” radius onsite, but we typically only use it for straight runs and in a much larger radius for fish screen bypass tanks. We haven’t used it for building construction which wouldn’t normal require it. We have only use steel rebar for door/window lintels although I understand that Helix can be used there if it is properly engineered. You would essentially use a higher density of Helix in the concrete mix and perhaps even dye this mix a different color so it could be inspected...or so I have heard. We never do basements, so I can’t answer that question...which is likely best answered by a structural engineer who works with Helix...
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29 Apr 2017 09:33 PM
Thanks for the info about basalt. The two companies must be using different methods to make the basalt rebar since the type you used could have a much smaller radius. I know that Neuvokas uses a very fast method in their factory and that is one of the reasons it cost much less than Sudaglass.
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Posted By Alton on 29 Apr 2017 12:14 PM
What would be the minimum thickness for a typical basement wall backfilled about 9' when using Helix and short rebar dowels to tie the wall to the footer?

We can just get away with 6" when we use 22 lbs of Helix per cubic meter and 10mm bar at 16 o/c vertically.
You could up the weight Helix and maybe get by with no rebar. For us, its a matter of not having to use horizontial rebar as it slows down the placement of the ICF block. If we need verts we generally do a half height pour and then place the verts.
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