Leon, I used Kingspan "B"/overstock Panels. They are more difficult to obtain than regular panels (but the price is only about half as much). They are rated R-32 for a 4" panel and R-49 for 6" (ASTM C518).

Posted By Torben on 03 Feb 2012 06:21 PM
Leon, I used Kingspan "B"/overstock Panels. They are more difficult to obtain than regular panels (but the price is only about half as much). They are rated R-32 for a 4" panel and R-49 for 6" (ASTM C518).

I assume you built a commercial building with those panels? So where did you obtain them? Can you forward me your supplier?

Try to buy any type of panel directly from the manufacturer.  Otherwise, you are running the risk that the middleman will not make good on the order as far as quantity or quality.  I have heard of many problems associated with type B panels.  In other words, do due diligence and know your supplier's history.

"B" quality panels normally carry no warranty

Posted By cmkavala on 03 Feb 2012 07:28 PM
"B" quality panels normally carry no warranty

Yeah so Kingspan panels won't be an option. Unless I use them only for non structural roof panels.

Leon; call Kingspan yourself and verify warranty policies, "due dilligence" as said previously

Leon, I bought some panels in the beginning through an independent person (as Alton mentioned it was a real mess). I bought most direct from Kingspan (they were great to deal with). Chris is correct (no warranty). I did all my own load calculations, permitting and building (and carefully checked the panels). I've been under the impression that a panel warranty is similar to a roof shingle warranty. It sounds great but I've not heard of anyone collecting on one.

I have never seen a metal SIP fail (delaminate) over time. They either are obviously bad when they come off the truck or they last forever.

MagDaddy..I just sent you an inquiry from another blog asking if you would be willing to quote and sell us boards for our factory in costa rica. thanks... write to [email protected]

I see the old topics of 2007 regarding the desire of more information regarding the use and performances of Magnesium Board products to that of OSB, FC Sheet Fiber Rock and the likes for use in all forms of construction. Now we find ourselves 5yrs more advanced and it is interesting that the debate still rages - but no one can deliver clear straight factual information on the ultimate question "is MgO Board Products Better Than the rest" Quote Un Quote. THE ANSWER IS WITHOUT HESITATION - YES (But all MgO Board Products are not "not" the same and do not offer the same performances of what I will discuss. So be pre warned before you dive into disaster. I feel there are several facts behind the suppression of information surrounding MgO products and the real facts of who is who in the manufacturing of these products.... It is not all cut and dried.... mmmmmm a lot of Chinese smoke and mirrors..... 1: The large multi national companies around the world do not want us to know that there is a magic product called MgO Board that could and does over shadow there products in all aspects of Fire Protection, Water and Mold Protection, Durability and Functionality that is indeed 100% Non Toxic and in many cases it costs you the consumer the same money or less to buy the superior MgO Board Products. 2: I have researched the reported proliferation of over 2000 so called manufacturing plants of MgO Board in China and report that this is nothing more than a smoke screen of five dollar (procurement houses)that have setup like internet cafe's on each street corner to capture your business at anytime of the night or day. Yes Blunt - BUT - True as i have also been traveling to Asia for over 17yrs so I know the tricks of their trade.... This is a major problem and consumers should at all times only deal with a company that is located in your country, that has the test reports and data of a registered testing laboratory for your region or at worst from either UL, BS & AS Standards. 3: The availability of the product on the ground and companies that are working with MgO Board - where are they who are they?? are they registered ?? what can they offer. FIVE (5) YEARS on there is light at the end of the tunnel with companies stepping up to bring too the world the real benefits of using MgO Board products. I recently researched thoroughly several companies across the world that are successfully utilizing the benefits of MgO Board in full building systems for Residential Housing, Commercial Projects and Portable Accommodation for Mining. From my research in America I found that Innova Eco Building Systems in Miami is leading the way and are a very knowledgeable source of information when it comes to why they have changed from OSB and FC products to MgO Corp Board products. www.innovaecobuildingsystems.com The word is also out that there is a serious player in the market that has established the highest levels of approvals for the uses of MgO Board in all aspects of building and construction first in Australia and now opening up operations in the USA. This is great news and we all need to keep our ear to the ground as this will revolutionize the building industry for all of us. Has anyone got more info on this???

There have been statements on this thread about MGO being water proof, I can tell you that it is not! ............when exposed to rain it will take on water and slowly dry out again, I have a current situation for another GC where MGO was used for the floor deck interior and exterior. On the exterior, the MGO never drys out and we cannot put a water proofing membrane over it as the moisture content is so high the waterproofing bubbles up, on the underside of the deck it continues to sweat water droplets for the past month making it impossible to cover up. ............ on this same job the GC has bought and stored 1800 sheets of MGO to be used instead of drywall, as tough as the economy is, about 6 drywall subs have refused to even give a bid to hang the board, the one quote he did get was for $250,000. to hand and finish. At this point it would be better to throw away the board and buy new drywall. So I ask why would anyone want to use this stuff?

Hi Jay

I hear a lot of frustration in your message and also see that you like many others have been manipulated into a frame of mind that gives you confidence in OSB, FC and Plasterboard being fully tested and that these products meet all the building codes.

Sir this is factually and can be proven wrong time and time again: Just read the fine print in on the products and the so called approved testing results.

The truth is that the vast majority of products from those companies are stated as (Deemed to Satisfy) for the applications they are put into.

This "Deemed to Satisfy" is an opinion given in many cases by their own engineers based on the past performances of an old out of date product or services.

Who is MgO Corp ??

They are the same as James Hardie (in such) They are a professional group from Australia that has taken a major interest in the worlds demands for a superior building product such as MgO and they have stepped up to take on the likes of Gypsum, Plasterboard, FC Sheet and OSB...

MgO Corp has established the highest level of quality and approval of MgO Board products from their established tried and proven production lines - YES - in China.... Because until now this is where the worlds largest resources of raw materials are fro making the product.

The rumour is that they have major plans for expansion throughout the USA through distribution groups and they have secured major investment partners to achieve this during the Director Mr Steve Marskell's recent trip to USA.

These plans include major testing to start anytime now on all facets of utilising MgO Board in building as well distribution outlets in all states.

I believe you can also if requested by UL fully tested and approved product in part container if so required

Check them out on the web www.mgoboard.com.au


The last thing to note::::: I dont believe there is any secrets from MagnumBP or Dragonboard (these are reputable organisations and have the test data) as does MgO Corp Pty Ltd with a greater scope of products, greater scope of quality control and greater ability to deliver the world with the product of the future that we can all rely on!!!!!!!

MgO Corp gaining highest level of approval know by Australian Federal Government is testament of their determination and quality of their company and their growing organisation.

These three (3) companies are the only ones worthy to talk about when it comes to MgO Board ---- quote un quote!!!!!

They are smart to hide their full results given the leaches of the industry and proliferation of theft of their IP by opposing internet cafe supply groups that are swamping the markets with inferior products.

Jump on MgO Corporations website and ring them - I have and I am sure you will be very happy.

The director can be reached also on SKYPE most times:::::: Look up:::::::: MgO Corp

GreenChat,

What is your connection with MgO Corp?  Do you represent this company or it products?

My interest is all topics regarding better building solutions and MgO is of great interest and has been to me for some 8yrs now.

I have researched the industry extensively and also purchased and used a number of products both good and bad in the industry so as to avail myself of the strengths and weaknesses of the products as well as the companies representing them.

For the good of the forum I am sure you would agree that everyone can benefit from clear direction on these topics so they can make their own decisions moving forward.

Today I have an increasing interest and involvement in the building products industry globally.

Chris - please see a photo of an outdoor decking project that I started on the 14th of November 2011 that was in the extreme weather and rain without cover of protection until Easter 2012. The Sunshine Coast in Queensland during that time was hammered with record rain falls and our board stood the test of time during this period. No mold, No cracking, No shrinking (can say that for my own house) BUGGAR..... Sure we don't recommend this type of treatment of any product and yes it would breach the warranty terms and conditions but - hey - the results speak for themselves when our clients buy our quality products..... It is interesting a lot of the rumors and misleading information that has and is spread about MgO Products in general and I hope my involvement in this forum can assist many people across the world. Ring me direct at anytime or Skype me at MgO Corp Kind Regards Steve Marskell Director Magnesium Oxide Board Corporation Pty Ltd

Posted By MgO Corp Pty Ltd on 16 Sep 2012 09:39 PM
Chris - please see a photo of an outdoor decking project that I started on the 14th of November 2011 that was in the extreme weather and rain without cover of protection until Easter 2012. The Sunshine Coast in Queensland during that time was hammered with record rain falls and our board stood the test of time during this period. No mold, No cracking, No shrinking (can say that for my own house) BUGGAR..... Sure we don't recommend this type of treatment of any product and yes it would breach the warranty terms and conditions but - hey - the results speak for themselves when our clients buy our quality products..... It is interesting a lot of the rumors and misleading information that has and is spread about MgO Products in general and I hope my involvement in this forum can assist many people across the world. Ring me direct at anytime or Skype me at MgO Corp Kind Regards Steve Marskell Director Magnesium Oxide Board Corporation Pty Ltd

The problem is not that it can't take the weather, the problem is that it takes in the water and holds it in, making is impossible to water proof the exterior side because it is too loaded with water,
nothing will stick to it
after 6 weeks of being covered with visqueen, still continues to leach water from bottom (interior side of floor deck.
the board is extremely brittle, with no flexifility and cracks very easy.

Chris: Email me privately who supplied you the board and the technical data on the products to [email protected] and I will look into this further for you. Do you know the density EG 1000kg/m3 or better for out door board. I would say you have been sold an extremely low density inferior board that --- mmmmmm --- possible could be only used for inside use. It sounds as though it more thank likely has more wood chip in it than actual MgO. As you already know a real MgO product will absorb a little moisture and water is submerged - but it lets go of the water and breaths when the water subsides or is removed letting the board dry out and retain its structure and integrity. As expressed MgO Corp will try to assist you and get you some answers. Kind Regards Steve

Chris - I remember you mentioning somewhere along the threads that your finishing trades where worried at doing the edges and jointing???? This is as simple as and if they cant do it then maybe they need to check out which trade they need to work in professionally....... All finishing trades we have worked with love the ease of working with the MgO Board..... Yes sure initially they are hesitant but after they get going there is not turning back.... Please see some attached images of works being carried out right now.... Cheers Steve

Steve; it is not my project it is for another GC, I am trying to help him thru this. The job requires smooth walls, with BUTT joints on all 4 side the only effective way to do this is to plaster the walls, I can see from your photos that the joints are greatly feathered