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02 Feb 2009 08:58 PM
J, you sound like a very wise person, there is still hope for all of use.
This SABS structure could last for 1000's of years leaving you with enough money to pay higher taxes and not even notice it.
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02 Feb 2009 09:29 PM
From what I have seen and learned about SABS, I believe it can be engineered to meet most any condition - wind, earthquakes, etc.  My understanding is that the math behind this product (Finite Element Method or commonly known as Finite Element Analysis) and the physical testing have a strong correlation.

Finite Element Analysis is used extensively by Civil and Aeronautical Engineers to verify stiffness and strength of materials used in wings of airplanes etc.
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11 May 2011 12:24 PM

 

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I am interested in any foam system that can save time cut cost, improve living standards and withstand the tests of time.

I fine the inference about SCIP being only for bomb shelters and war zones laughable.

I would like to see SABS numbers on strength and protection for Fires, earth quakes and hurricanes or is that even SABS market?

I wonder at the fire rating and the strength of ¼” outer synthetic/ cement skin.
I also wondered at SCIPs 1 1/2" of shot crete untill I saw the numbers and data.

With SCIP designs at 2-4 hour fire, 200-250 wind loads, 8.+ seismic ratings. You could always under design if the reign warranted and cut costs I would think.

Between Colorado and Texas alone there are around 2,000 homes in the past six months that would have benefited being built with better fire resistance systems in place for wild fires.

 I have no worries now using ESP. The first time I pulled out a torch to melt some foam out of the way for more shot crete for hardware I was worried, but ready with fire extinguisher and water hose.

That was after I tested burning and fire spread on a piece of foam scrap.

    I have been a carpenter/builder using steel and wood for over thirty years.

 I am now building my first SCIP home
If I still lived San Diego I would sleep better with the proven track record of SCIP homes. 

 SCIP homes have not just survived Earth Quakes and Wild Fires in California but were said to be undamaged. 

In Colorado we can sleep better because foam/ concrete homes are more comfortable and energy efficient.  
The data is all over the web of SCIP homes with no damage withstanding hurricanes in the past twenty years as well.

 I am awaiting information on SCIP buildings and tornados.

 One of the main reasons for going with SCIP over SIPS or ICFs is thermal Mass.

Look to Oak Ridge National labs, it says it all clearly with out any label for SCIP, SKIP, Tri D, Metroc or any other name.

 

Thermal Mass - Energy Savings Potential in Residential Buildings (CONCLUSION)

 

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/roofs+walls/research/detailed_papers/thermal/index.html

 

(Comparative analysis of sixteen different material configurations showed that the most effective wall assembly was the wall with thermal mass (concrete) applied in good contact with the interior of the building. Walls where the insulation material was concentrated on the interior side, performed much worse. Wall configurations with the concrete wall core and insulation placed on both sides of the wall performed slightly better, however, their performance was significantly worse than walls containing foam core and concrete shells on both sides.)

I am not counting SABS out; I want to see the thermal mass numbers and strength numbers.

I have a house in Utah I am considering building where the only concerns are weather related hot and cold often in the same twenty four hour period.
I would think SABS would cost less with out all the wire and steel in the SCIP system.

 

    

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11 May 2011 12:29 PM
GFRC= glass fiber reinforced concrete

It's mixed as a thinner liquid than normal concrete, and uses small fibers to reinforce instead of big agg.  It's light and very strong and generally slab depth for slab depth vs. normal concrete it doesn't need reinforcement.  As a thin coat it is strong.  It gets sprayed into a form normally.  It's catching on in the concrete countertop world.
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11 May 2011 02:49 PM
It's been over 2 years since ergodesk last pitched SABS. I wonder how many structures have actually been built with this system, and if there are currently any manufacturers that are producing it. (All of the major OSB Skin SIP manufacturers are still actively producing product, and 1,000's of projects have been built during that time using this system. Even during this new construction slowdown there are still projects at various stages of the process throughout the country.
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