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DIYSORNOT
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| 11 Oct 2009 10:32 PM |
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The bad press is having an effect on me. I am planning a panel home and was considering Thermocore (Indiana) until now. I like the properties of PU and the way Thermocore installs conduit and electrical boxes in the panels, however, doing business with a company that doesn't stand behind their product (even if they didn't install the panels) is too scary for me. This forum has great info. I've decided to let the manufacture install the panels. What about Thermocore Missouri or Murus or any other Pu panel Manufacture? any suggestions Thermocore Indiana is out of the running. |
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cmkavala
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| 12 Oct 2009 06:00 AM |
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Posted By jstelmack on 10/11/2009 8:16 PM
Anyone have a contact at BASF???
John
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cmkavala
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| 12 Oct 2009 06:01 AM |
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Posted By Ross Borel on 10/11/2009 10:32 PM
The bad press is having an effect on me. I am planning a panel home and was considering Thermocore (Indiana) until now. I like the properties of PU and the way Thermocore installs conduit and electrical boxes in the panels, however, doing business with a company that doesn't stand behind their product (even if they didn't install the panels) is too scary for me. This forum has great info. I've decided to let the manufacture install the panels. What about Thermocore Missouri or Murus or any other Pu panel Manufacture? any suggestions Thermocore Indiana is out of the running. I would go with SureTight in your area over Murus |
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cmkavala
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| 12 Oct 2009 06:13 AM |
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Posted By Hughianowen on 10/11/2009 8:46 PM
Do they come furred from the factory? What is the cost of the finished panels compared to other skins? Would the roof look like a standing seam metal roof? Does it come in colors? Panels are furred on site where necessary (closet, baths where no electrical, do not need furring) Our skins only come finished. White is the standard, but all colors are available at additional cost, even black No the roof does not look like a standing seam (remember I said economy) The roof panel is the same as the wall panel, just thicker. |
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cmkavala
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jstelmack
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| 12 Oct 2009 07:25 AM |
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Well.. BASF... Where the hek did I get BASF from? Somehow I thought it was written that BASF made the foam that Thermocore uses but... But reading back through this thread it is not mentioned. My bad... Please disregard my previous reference to BASF.
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Jelly
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| 12 Oct 2009 07:42 AM |
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Chris, what kind of track did you wrap that rounded arched opening with? |
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thermocoreps
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| 12 Oct 2009 08:37 AM |
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Here are the facts on the Kevin Borland house.
We have not ignored Kevin
We offered install for Kevin's panels he refused.
Kevin hired his builder to install his panels.
Kevin's builder had never worked with our panels.
By Kevin's own addmission to me his builder abused the panels during install and cut into the panels without contacting us.
We sent a crew to inspect Kevin's house. Our crew has worked in the feild for 7 years installing panels. They were/are the most qualified people to send to inspect a Thermocore house.
Our crew found many things wrong with Kevin's house and reported the findings to him. All had nothing to do with our panels.
The panels were not installed correctly but were not in danger of failing. Kevin has been living in the house for close to 2 years.
I discussed our crew's findings with Kevin. Kevin should mentioned what issues were found with his house.
Kevin is suing his builder.
Thermocore cannot undo what was done by Kevin's builder during the construction of his house.
I have had talked with Kevin about these issues.
Kevin is living in his house and has been for ocer a year.
I own Thermocore and if anyone would like to talk wiith me about these or other issues I can be reached at 317-831-8888.
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thermocoreps
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| 12 Oct 2009 08:41 AM |
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Sorry,
My name is Pat and I can be reached @317-831-8888.
I would be happy to provide anyone thinking of building a complete list of referances for you to contact and evaluate for yourself. You can also reach me at [email protected]. |
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cmkavala
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| 12 Oct 2009 08:44 AM |
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Posted By Jelly on 10/12/2009 7:42 AM
Chris, what kind of track did you wrap that rounded arched opening with? 18 ga. steel, my guys are artists |
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thermocoreps
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| 12 Oct 2009 08:58 AM |
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I continue....
Our foam is manufactured by BASF the world's largest chemical company. Each shipment of foam we receive has a certification sheet stating that the foam meets spec's. We log all faom data as part of our third party inspection. Working with PU is not a crap shoot as referenced in this forum. All high end insulated garage and entry doors use polyurethane. Refrigeraters and freezers use polyurethane. Subzero uses BASF polyurethane for their insulation. Do you think they are dependant on crap shoot techniques to make their $2,000 frig's? The fact is, and it is a fact, any and all high end insulated products use polyurethane foam as their preferred insulation.
We have been manufacturing polyurethane foam core panels for over 11 years. We just recieved a Patent on our 4" R-24 panel. We acoomplished this by using proven manufacturing techniques and technologies. We incoporate 3rd party quarterly testing and inspection. We send panel samples out every quarter to be tested for quality.
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Hughianowen
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| 12 Oct 2009 09:04 AM |
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How much is "economy" per square foot? (not counting installation) |
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thermocoreps
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| 12 Oct 2009 09:11 AM |
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I am assuming by "economy" you mean price. Thermocore sells the industies most complete panel system with industry leading features. Feedback from quotes leads me to believe that we are equal or less than other systems out there. |
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Hughianowen
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| 12 Oct 2009 09:20 AM |
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I apologize. I was intending to respond to Chris. |
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Hughianowen
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| 12 Oct 2009 09:24 AM |
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How much is "economy" per square foot? (not counting installation) |
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jstelmack
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| 12 Oct 2009 12:56 PM |
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The owner of Thermocore, out of professional courtesy, called me this AM. He obviously did not have to. We had am enjoyable conversation about this situation and the "bad press" it is generating. After learning "the other side of the story" it "appears" that the homeowner did not reveal very important details to this forum. I hope that prospective SIP customers understand that a manufacturer cannot be held liable when an installer modifies panels on site with disregard to the manufacturers engineered plan. A simple call to Thermocore during installation would likely have made this a non-issue.
The SIP industry is offering necessary alternative construction materials and methods. SIP's help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels as evidenced by homeowners lower utility costs. EPS or PU, it should not be a topic of argument. There is a place for each and business owners and customers can make their own choices. The EPS bigot bashing the PU bigot, and visa-verse, does nothing more than put a dark cloud over all over all of us who wish nothing more than to promote our industry.
To those of you who bicker back and forth about your preference: You're doing no one any good. You are hurting the SIP industry by compelling the market into your negativity. Prospective homeowners, builders and developers see this. Legislators and their aides see this. At some level, it raises a red flag for them. I suggest to you that our industry is far better served when you sell the positive aspects of the product you've chosen as the foundation for "your" business. Over time your level of success will be the measure of your wisdom.
For my business I chose EPS/OSB but not because I think EPS is better. I'll leave that declaration to bigger brains. I chose EPS simply because of the larger pool of resources available to help ensure my company's success. Without that large pool of resources, I'm the guy handing out smiley faces at Walmart.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
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retired1
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| 12 Oct 2009 03:30 PM |
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Posted By jstelmack on 10/12/2009 12:56 PM
The owner of Thermocore, out of professional courtesy, called me this AM. He obviously did not have to. We had am enjoyable conversation about this situation and the "bad press" it is generating. After learning "the other side of the story" it "appears" that the homeowner did not reveal very important details to this forum. I hope that prospective SIP customers understand that a manufacturer cannot be held liable when an installer modifies panels on site with disregard to the manufacturers engineered plan. A simple call to Thermocore during installation would likely have made this a non-issue.
The SIP industry is offering necessary alternative construction materials and methods. SIP's help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels as evidenced by homeowners lower utility costs. EPS or PU, it should not be a topic of argument. There is a place for each and business owners and customers can make their own choices. The EPS bigot bashing the PU bigot, and visa-verse, does nothing more than put a dark cloud over all over all of us who wish nothing more than to promote our industry.
To those of you who bicker back and forth about your preference: You're doing no one any good. You are hurting the SIP industry by compelling the market into your negativity. Prospective homeowners, builders and developers see this. Legislators and their aides see this. At some level, it raises a red flag for them. I suggest to you that our industry is far better served when you sell the positive aspects of the product you've chosen as the foundation for "your" business. Over time your level of success will be the measure of your wisdom.
For my business I chose EPS/OSB but not because I think EPS is better. I'll leave that declaration to bigger brains. I chose EPS simply because of the larger pool of resources available to help ensure my company's success. Without that large pool of resources, I'm the guy handing out smiley faces at Walmart.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
John
PanelStar Custom Homes A breath of fresh air. I couldn't have said it any better. I also, would only like information and facts, forget the bickering.
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Jelly
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| 12 Oct 2009 09:48 PM |
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Posted By cmkavala on 10/12/2009 8:44 AM Posted By Jelly on 10/12/2009 7:42 AM
Chris, what kind of track did you wrap that rounded arched opening with? 18 ga. steel, my guys are artists I'll say! Do they just cut "darts" in the sides of the track and stitch it as they go? I'm asking because I have such an opening in my project.
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SimonD
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| 13 Oct 2009 04:04 PM |
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It's simple to do, just take your length of track and make straight relief cuts with a circular saw or heavy shears in the legs of the track leaving the web intact every inch or so depending on your radius and bend it to comform to the radius in the panel. A screw goes in every leg tab that you have created to fasten it. If the opening is structural, there with be additional square framing on the interior side of the wall to reinforce it.
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