A Guide for Building with Metal SIPs
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02 Feb 2011 07:56 AM
Posted By Sip Supply Inc on 12 Jan 2011 03:19 PM
We loan out free of charge ........the Panel saw Kett KS 423 to DIY that purchase panels thru us. The saw retails for about $449.00


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02 Feb 2011 01:57 PM
Chris, i would be very happy to receive your video, thanks
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03 Feb 2011 10:09 PM
Boys, Boys,........... It is human to disagree,.......... But we should all be proud,..... There is only a few of us that know how to properly design & build With Steel SIPS, with out any problems..We are way ahead of the curve..
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04 Feb 2011 06:53 AM
Posted By Banerpan on 02 Feb 2011 01:57 PM
Chris, i would be very happy to receive your video, thanks


When it is ready I will post a youtube link
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04 Feb 2011 09:22 AM
Great, you always do good things for our knowledge, i would hate to have you as a competitor in my area

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26 Feb 2011 09:56 PM
Here's some tips from the properties and specifications section of the guide.

4. The maximum working temperature of an EPS core panel is 160 degrees Fahrenheit. EPS foam will melt at 180 degrees Fahrenheit and burn at 212 degrees Fahrenheit.

5. The maximum working temperature of a PU core panel is 300 degrees Fahrenheit. PU foam will degrade at 460 degrees Fahrenheit and burn at 2200 degrees Fahrenheit.
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27 Feb 2011 03:31 AM

Here are 35 free tips.............


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Choosing the panels:

a)       Core -  EPS or PU …….. EPS does not” off gas” or shrink is stable and does not loose R-value with age. PU “off gasses” for months, can cause blistering and delamination of the skin, shrinks and loses R value with age. EPS is also available with borate to prevent pest infestation.

b)       Skins – Steel typically available in 26. Ga. Galvalume, G – 90 galvanized and optional stainless steel. Galvalume or G-90 both have their advantages. Aluminum skins are available in .019, .024 & .032 skins. Only the .032 skin has any value in building use, the thinner skins are only good for patio/carport applications.

c)        Joint connection – some panels need screw attachment, some are splined, some are cam locked, snap locked and T&G friction fit. It is our opinion that the T&G friction fit with no fasteners is the fastest and avails the most jobsite flexibility.

2.       Base channels –  18 ga. G-90 galvanized steel is the most common, where channels are not covered with cladding and in a salt air environment it is advisable to a minimum .060 painted aluminum channel.

3.       Anchorage: to a slab or block foundation – anchor bolts, wedge anchors or wedge bolts are used. Wedge bolts are advantageous as they can be easily removed and replaced. When installing on a wood/steel floor deck – consult engineered plans for method of attachment.

4.       Check slab for square-ness, make any adjustments now!

5.       Strike chalk lines for base track locations, mark door openings and cut channels to size before bolting into place.

6.       Base sealant: an expandable spray foam or good bead of caulk sealant should be used to prevent iar infiltration under base track.

7.       Before placing panels in base make sure the track is not  “crimped-in” , track can be tapped back into place with a hammer.

8.       Installing wall panels: start in a corner tie 2 corner panels together plumb and level.

9.       A magnetic level is advantageous with steel panels , allowing an “extra” hand.

10.   Butt corner connections are stronger that mitered.

11.   One person should place one end or the other in the track, do not attempt to place the entire panel all at once, the result will be frustration in fighting against each other. One end gets started….. THEN drop the other end in.

12.   Two 6”- 8” drywall taping knives work great at “shoe horning” the panel into the track

13.   Make sure screw attachment is made both inside and out before proceeding to next panel.

14.   Continue with next panels, panels are easier to push into place down low. Check each panel as you go for plumb.

15.   Do not “over spin” or “strip out” screws in track/panel, set driver clutch accordingly.

16.   Push panels tightly together before attaching at base, if you are not sure panels are tight; place a 2x4  ON EDGE and tap with a large hammer / small sledge to “bottom out” to next panel. The sound distinctly changes to a solid “thud” when panel to panel contact is made.

17.   If the top of the panel won’t stay in place you can secure with one stich screw at the panel joint – 1” down from top.

18.   Install top pitched cap and rake caps as you go along, do not get too far along without securing top, but only fasten outside of pitched top cap channel at this time.

19.   Bracing: as needed, coastal areas and 2 stories are more critical due to potential wind. 20 ft. sections of base track works well for wall bracing.

20.   When working off a slab electric scissor lifts are invaluable for working at the top of walls, setting ridge beams and setting roof panels.

21.   It is not necessary to cut out all window and door opening until they are needed, closed off they also will keep out the weather.

22.   Eye protection: the obvious when cutting anything, but in addition most metal panels are white and in the sun are extremely bright; please wear sunglasses to prevent snow blindness.

23.   Any metal cutting saw will work and only needs to be deep enough to cut skin / joint interlock. We prefer the Kett -423 saw.

24.   Extremely important for aesthetic reasons is to immediately brush away saw chips form panel surface. If left on long enough for moisture, dew or water to come in contact it will allow a rust stain on the finish to appear and while it is not the skin rusting you will have a hard time explaining to the customer that it is not.

25.   Assemble ridge box beams on a flat surface

26.   Take a bunch of sips screws and install the flat or neo washers in advance of needing them

27.   Before installing first roof panel put pencil marks on the bottom skin to gauge correct rake overhang from below.

28.   Once first panel is aligned with pencil marks, take a hammer and drive the first SIP screw thru the top skin and foam until it reaches the bottom skin, then drill in with drill or driver

29.   SIP Heavy Duty Screws are for 16ga. or thicker steel

30.   SIP Light Duty Screws are for 18 ga. Or lighter steel, aluminum channels or  attachment to wood beams. Etc.

31.   Heavy Duty SIP Screws drill in best when installed @ approx.. 500 rpm. Any faster and the tips may burn up.

32.   A small piece of carpet laid over the top of the wall cap will protect the underside finished soffit metal.

33.   In most cases it advisable to switch installing the roof from one side to the other about every sixth panel so as not to overload the beam / walls on one side.

34.   Make sure to “dimple” the roof panel with roof screw/washer to allow finished roofing to lay flat.

35.   Spot check to make sure the pitch cap is sucked up tight to the underside of the panel, if it is not go back and re-torque screws to do so.Once panels lay flat and tight to the pitched cap, then you can install the inside top cap/ panel screws

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19 Mar 2011 09:04 AM
I've found large suction cups work great for long panels. These are ~25 feet. This way we can drop them level into the track, run some screws to keep the bottom aligned and then swing the top in tight.






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19 Mar 2011 03:12 PM
Torben,

I have seen two 12" diameter manual glass handling suction cups pick up a 6" thick 26' long metal SIP and hoist it 30' in the air. The rig you show does not come cheap but is probably well worth the money.
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19 Mar 2011 10:22 PM
I ended up using this one to sort and cut a stack of 51 foot, 6-inch kingspan panels (~500 lbs/panel).  The unit has two 12-inch square vacuum actuated suction cups (770 lb capacity).  There are better configurations for this long of a panel but I was doing very short lifts and did not have that much bowing.



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19 Mar 2011 11:06 PM
Why not use electromagnets?
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19 Mar 2011 11:44 PM
Some skins are aluminum or other non-magnetic metal.  I guess suction will work on almost any reasonably smooth surface.
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20 Mar 2011 07:27 AM
Posted By Alton on 19 Mar 2011 11:44 PM
Some skins are aluminum or other non-magnetic metal.  I guess suction will work on almost any reasonably smooth surface.
Alton;

it is how most automated plants move their panels in the shop, it is particlarly valuable when moving rock wool core panels

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12 Apr 2011 09:06 PM
100+ Tips for Building with Metal SIPs find it on Kindle. Here's some excerpts from the chapter on Specifications:

10. An EPS panel weighs about 2.5 pounds per square foot. PU panels weigh about 4.5 pounds per square foot.

11. Metal panels require no spline to connect to one another. Common panel to panel joints are tongue-in-groove or ship lap.

12. A panel to panel joint requires sealant to become vapor and water tight.

13. Panels used for roofs must be specifically designed for roof applications or have the panel joints individually sealed and a finished roof material applied.
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22 May 2011 01:18 PM
Found thes picture from 2006 from a builder who improvised this vacuum and winch/ cable apparatus to set panels     Gainesville, FL









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28 Aug 2011 07:34 PM

100+ Tips for Building with Metal SIPs find it on Kindle. Here are some excerpts from the chapter on Design & Engineering.

6.      For interior living spaces, plan on covering all panel surfaces with ½ inch gypsum wall board due to code requirements for foam plastic insulation.

 

7.      Keep roof panel clear spans around 15 - 17 feet for a 6” thick panel unless working with panel span tables or unusually heavy loads.

 

8.      Leave a minimum of 6 inches between wall openings.

 

9.      When using panels for floor systems, keep clear spans around 10 feet, use the thickest panel available, specify the highest density foam core available and expect to apply a ¾” decking for added stiffness.

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29 Dec 2011 02:04 PM
100+ Tips for Building with Metal SIPs find it on Kindle and Nook. Here are some more excerpts from the chapter on Design & Engineering.

13. In very cold climates, interior to exterior panel surfaces should be thermally broken with a saw cut.

14. In very cold climates, interior to exterior panel framing component should be designed not to transfer cold to the inside surfaces of the panel building.

15. When possible 24 inches minimum of panel width should be left each side and between garage door openings or provide wall reinforcing.

16. Support of dropped ceilings should be thought out carefully because the familiar bottom chord of the truss is no longer present.
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100+ Tips for Building with Metal SIPs find it on Kindle. Here are some more excerpts from the chapter on Design & Engineering.

1. Keep wall openings a minimum of 12 inches away from outside corners and a minimum of 4 inches from inside corners.

2. Leave a minimum of 12 inches of panel over wall openings.

3. Keep plumbing fixtures off of exterior panel walls or provide a furred-out wall.

4. Provide a post or wall reinforcing for heavy point loads from beams and trusses.
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