Hi there,

I'd like the help of the forum to decide if one of the blocks is better. I think that Logix has the advantage of about 10% more EPS and 6.25" versus 6" core.

I asked though a potential builder about using Logix and he replied that Logix provides less supoort than Nudura, mainly to their corners, and that makes the Logix corners harder to strap and stay plumb.
Is this correct?

Thanks

Most blocks on the market today each have advantages and disadvantages.

The most important item to consider is what is available in your area and what your builder has used successfully in the past.

Some builders get so use to one product it does not matter what the cost of your home will be only the product they are use to.

Shop around and ask quiestions of many builders in your area as well as references of the folks they have built for.

Do not sell your self short because one builder cuts down a product chances are he has not even looked at the other products available but has been feed a line of BS about the other products available.

It is to bad some peoples products are so poor that they have to cut down others to sell their junk.

The Logix distributor in our area mentioned that Logix has a higher density foam (then other ICF blocks), and that makes the walls plumb.

Logix was weaker t the corners in the past, and in fact had no firring in the corners. But they have addressed all these issues and have several significant improvements coming.

I'd use Logix. Field support varies wildly by area, and in the PacNW it is poor. This is not the fault of the manufacturer's rep but of a certain installer he depends on.

Support is important if you have no experience. Accuracy and self-discipline are key. And study well.

Quantum, what makes you think Logix is the most advanced block? Of the two? or in general?

Dave

6.25 inches of concrete is just more concrete than you need, the cost does add up... Most lintel tables would be specc'd for only 5.5 inches width for this given cavity thickness....I've never been convinced the extra foam should quantify the purchase either.
Logix corners have in the past been poor-both strength and lack of attachments- but reportedly are getting better.

eq1: What density foam does the distributor boast? Higher density foam does not make walls plumb. Proper bracing techniques, stringlines, stabila levels, and qualified installers do this.

It would depend on the scope of work which of the two forms we'd rather use...

The house will be a 2 storey rectangle box shape, no basement, high seasonal water table. Slab on grade on the first floor and Hambro D500 on the second. Passive solar design. It will be useful to know how do you choose the right block for this design.

They are both high quality blocks Beno !
You may wish to choose one over the other because of the height module at 18 in for N and 16 in for L .

Either form would work fine for you with support, availability and pricing. But the top of a Nudura wall tends to any mirror imperfections in the footing/slab due to its "vertical locking mechanism" and "full length tie" so it can be tougher to get a nice flat top plate also because ripping the metal pins in the blocks is a bit more of a pain.

In my opinion I would go with Logix. Not because im a distributor but when it comes down to comparing apples to apples Logix is the better block. Foam thicknesses are comparable Nudura is 2 5/8”, Logix is 2 3/4". Logix and Nudura both have furring strips in the corners, but note the 45 degree web that comes in all Logix corners (stronger, straighter corners). Proper consolidation is very important. As an experienced installer, Logix appealed to me more because of the 'open-web' design. Look at the nudura and like many other competing icf blocks, you will see that their tie isn’t as flow friendly when it comes to concrete placement.

Another note that I have noticed as a distributor (not trying to solicit here just making a point) is that Logix's price per block has remained the same for the last few years where as I have seen many others like Reward, Amvic etc raise their prices on their blocks $1-2.

Like others have said, achieving plumb, straight walls is a reflection on the quality of the install. Stacking the wall is the easy part. Preparing it properly for concrete placement takes patients and time. Support from your distributor is definitely important. As a distributor in the pacNW I hope that the previous comment on shoddy distributor support wasn’t aimed at my Father or me. We support all of our clients fully. We have one client who is 4 hours away who we visited today to make sure he got off right on his first row of blocks. - Pete

I doubt it pcoughlin. George is great, but E*** has been a problem for a number of prospective clients and distributors, confidentially. Leads he got from other manufacturer's reps, he used Logix on, and that is just slimey. I will not buy Logix because of something he pulled on me (he is the distributor here, as well as installer, skimming our business); Astrof dropped the brand and is angry with him; and there are others. I'll bet you're in OR. I'm in WA.

But Logix is run by three refugees from Arxx.

I think I get the picture now. Both blocks are great, but it is far more important to have a builder very good with his favorite block. So, I'll choose the builder, not the block.
Thank you all!

Hey...sounds like sour grapes to me.  I am so surpised to see a posting of such a libelous and defamatory nature on this site.  ICF builders and distrubutors watch each others backs and when someone posts such derogatory statements it does not take long for word to get out.

E*** is well known in the icf industry and well respected for his contributions.

As for this posting I wouldn't believe anything coming from someone who says in one sentence he will not buy Logix then in the next sentence says for his own home he would use Logix.

I hope Logix gets a good laugh at being referred to as refugess from Arxx but I wouldn't count on it.

I don't sour grapes so kindly keep them to yourself.

Now see; she knows exactly who I am talking about.

So icfgal, are you saying that youall are not distributors as well as installers?
Or that you did not accept other block reps' leads and use Logix on them?
Or that Astrof Concrete did not drop Logix because of youall? You even got their braces at a discount (not to mention their territory) when they dropped the brand.
There's more, but what's the use?

I am just saying the bald-headed truth, although I have been polite enough to keep your name out of it so far. You should learn to be more considerate.

Sour grapes? You mean the results of getting shafted? Nope, just advising what others have said on the QT. The word has been out for some time. It may be the first time you've heard this, as his wife.

Why Even Use blocks.

Why not use a six inch Spacer?

it is uniform all around even in corner area same space of six inch around

Sorry, but what is a six inch Spacer?

Quantum, Im really not sure what your getting at. And don't take this the wrong way but your post are very difficult to follow. If you go to formrentals.com, Astrof concrete still advertizes Logix. It seems your using this board as a way to 'get back' at some individuals who you had a problem/personality conflict with. I hate to break this to you but doing that on this board is very unprofessional and is simply unacceptable.

Leads are leads. Clients have choices. When it comes to the ICF industry people should shop around and compare block to block. Not only in this process will you find different brands of ICF that appeal to you but you will also find different kinds of people that are either easy or difficult to work with. In my opinion when it comes down to it, finding someone who your comfortable working with, wether it be a distributor or contractor is vital to a successful ICF job.

Hey guy's since we are talking Blocks here... I just asked dave for a quote ( fox blocks) and it comes 18 000 cheaper than
the local supplier here in Quebec. You guy's have any take on Fox Blocks? The supplier I was going to use was:

LINK

But 56 000$ to 38 000$ is hard to beat.... And yes the house is big: 1800 straight Blocks and -+ 450 corners

That seems really expensive!!! Lets see:

1800 straights + 450 corners = 2250 blocks

56000/2250 = 24.88 per block! ouch!

Here in the states block prices range from $15-19 plus frieght. Logix is based out of Canada, maybe they can give you a decent quote and you can save on shipping.

You're not breaking anything to me, pcoughlin. True Logix is still on their website, but try and buy Logix from them. Not going to happen. Don't just look up a website; you have to actually know what's going on.

"Leads are leads"? I think it is dishonest and unscrupuous to accept a lead from one source and point the client to another block through pricing or whatever. PERIOD. If the client themselves change their mind of their own will without any help from the installer, fine. But for the installer to steal clients from his lead sources is dispicable, AFAIC. And I am glad I now know that this is OK with you, pcoughlin.

I am not using this board to 'get back' at anyone. People need to know the bad actors in this industry, to maybe reduce the problems. I know George is not the cause of this, but it is not good sign.