How many cracks are acceptable in new stucco?
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17 Aug 2010 07:05 PM
I have a 1932 English cottage and have added a wood framed chimney for a new fireplace. The sheathing is plywood. The stucco contractor placed what looks like black tar paper for the breathable barrier and mesh for supporting the stucco. It is the old fashioned stucco mixed on site to match the old. Expansion joints are between the chimney at the house and between first and second floors. Southern exposure. I understand that some hairline cracks are to be expected. But when are there too many? None are larger than hairline after one week. He has not yet put the finish coat on. This is a pic of the scratch and brown coats. The other surfaces look great. This section was done on a hot day. Should I ask him to redo it? I am trying to educate myself rather than assume that there is something wrong. Thank you. Thank you.

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18 Aug 2010 06:58 AM
The cracks look like shrinkage cracks, probably from being put on on a hot day. A rich mix will contribute. Shrinkage cracks are not structural and should not affect the finish coats. But talk to your contractor.


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18 Aug 2010 10:55 AM
Brad, Thank you for your timely response. Yes it was a hot day. The upper part was done in the morning and the lower in the afternoon. I appreciate your time. Brian


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18 Aug 2010 12:22 PM
I have seen subs cheat on thickness or cement content with similar results

are there any expansion joints?


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18 Aug 2010 03:56 PM
I believe this type of cracking could also result from the mix being too wet - over compensation for a hot day that dries out the mix quickly.


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18 Aug 2010 05:42 PM
Given your responses, what would you recommend? A.) Allow a week to cure and finish coat it? B.) Ask the contractor to replace that section?


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18 Aug 2010 05:56 PM
A. won't do you any good, and B is jumping the gun, unless you have done more checking than here. What did your stucco contractor say? What did your general contractor say? Call other stucco contractors and ask them. Call professional organizations such as
http://www.cement.org/stucco/tech_support.asp

http://www.stuccomfgassoc.com/

http://www.iilp.org/

Don't do anything hasty.


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18 Aug 2010 06:14 PM
Posted By b97209 on 18 Aug 2010 05:42 PM
Given your responses, what would you recommend? A.) Allow a week to cure and finish coat it? B.) Ask the contractor to replace that section?
put your contractor on notice immediately that you are concerned



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18 Aug 2010 06:42 PM
I told the stucco contractor yesterday that I am concerned and stated that I am not an expert so that he can educate me. He claims the heat did it. To me that is not an excuse. The heat was forecasted.

I looked at several sites yesterday including http://www.stuccomfgassoc.com/. It is interesting that there isn't a standard. People disagree significantly about cracks. Nowhere do I see any mention of frequency of hairline cracks.

I don't like to waste other people's time by trying to get other contractor's out to look at the cracks. By definition, they could not offer an unbiased opinion and it wastes a lot of time. That is why I posted here with a picture rather than only a narrative. Of course, responses on this site can only be data points since the qualifications of respondents is not quantifiable except by the quality of their answers. However, replies are less likely to be biased as my contractor's competitors or the stucco association.

Even the crack policy at stuccomfgassoc.com is not clear. How can that be construed as a policy? There is nothing definitive or measurable in the document other than the recommendation for expansion joints.

Thank you all for your replies. They are valuable.



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18 Aug 2010 07:35 PM

Usually the cracks are a result of the stucco being to thin or the stucco scratch & base coat were not applied correctly or not allowed to cure properly.

You can refer to the portland cement assoc.

http://www.cement.org/stucco/faq.asp


http://www.wconline.com/CDA/Archive...00f932a8c0____



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18 Aug 2010 07:39 PM
Thickness is easy, drill a hole. Ask the stucco contractor if he thinks he should replace it.


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18 Aug 2010 09:04 PM

I have spoke on the problems of stucco many times maybe this article will help, unless it is done right you are waisting money & time....

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Among old-school plasterers, it's no secret that a good stucco job can resist leaks. But the craftsmanship required for traditional three-coat stucco may no longer make it a practical alternative.
by Clayton DeKorne



Soak a chunk of stucco from a demolition project in a bucket of water. You can leave it there for days, and some water may seep through the cold joints between the three layers at the broken edges, but the core will stay dry.

This is the lesson an old-time plasterer taught me about stucco. Done well, stucco is impervious to water. But this is not exactly the emphasis Joe Lstiburek of Building Science Corp. put in his report to the Florida Home Builders Association following the 2004 hurricane season. After examining the extensive water damage to homes from more than 20 inches of rain washing over central Florida when Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne swept across the state, Building Science Corp. searched for the leakage pathways by simulating weather conditions with spray racks and pressure washers. The result of this investigation was no real surprise to Lstiburek: "Stucco claddings leak [as do all claddings]." Lstiburek does not dispute that, as a material, stucco without cracks is impervious to water. But cracks are inevitable in real-world buildings, leading to the company's critical conclusion: "Based on the field observations, it is our belief that it is not possible to construct stucco assemblies without cracks."

It's hard to argue with conclusions based on actual site conditions. Facing the certainty of leaks, Lstiburek's recommendations rightly focus on creating "drainable assemblies," using flashings and water-resistive barriers, and on details that ensure that when water is forced into a wall, it has someplace safe to drain away and a means by which the wall can dry out. His report (www.buildingscience.com/resources/walls/rainwater_management.pdf) is a must-read for anyone using stucco in any environment but particularly in hurricane-prone coastal regions.

Heartbreaking Reality
At the same time, Lstiburek's report is disheartening. It underscores the fact that good three-coat stucco seems completely absent on the ground in central Florida, and I doubt Florida is the only state where the practical realities of schedules and budgets push contractors toward alternatives to traditional three-coat systems.

Lstiburek's report lumps three-coat stucco with "cementitious decorative finishes" — often known as one-coat systems. This was not a lapse on the part of Building Science Corp. but rather a deliberate move to address what's actually used in the field. In the end, Lstiburek wrote by e-mail, it doesn't matter if it's a one-coat or a three-coat system. Both types are subject to cracking; both types fail.

That's the heartbreaking part, because three-coat stucco, by design, ought to be much more resilient to moisture than a one-coat system. A well-applied three-coat system creates three layers that act independently. This cannot eliminate cracking, but it will largely reduce the chance shrinkage cracks in each of the three layers will communicate the leak all the way through the wall.

"We've known for a long time how to keep water out," says Ron Webber, president of the Plastering Contractors Association of Southern California and a plastering contractor for more than 30 years. Webber underwrote testing in the mid-1990s with Michael Roberts, a stucco expert in Orange, Calif., to address extreme cracking problems with stucco occurring all too frequently on sites. The work set out to evaluate the shortcuts taken by some stucco applicators to make a batch of wet mud easier to spread on a wall. These include the use of clay fines mixed into the sand to make the mud buttery, lime to fluff it up, and soap to smooth it out. All three practices, Webber confirmed, reduce the strength and water resistance of stucco.

Old-School Stucco
Unlike concrete, which is designed to be as strong in compression as possible, stucco is designed to maximize tensile strength, explains Webber. This is no small trick, as stucco's not a material naturally strong in tension. Key steps include the following:

Solid structure. A wall is only as strong as the foundation below it and the ground beneath that. Begin with well-drained, properly compacted soil that has the capacity to support the structure above it. The wall itself must be rigid; stucco can't tolerate movement. If well reinforced, and the top floors, roofs, and gable ends framed in wood are well anchored to the basewalls, block construction makes inherent sense in a coastal environment. "It's unclear if any wood framing system can ever be rigid enough and dimensionally stable enough to keep stucco from cracking in humid, high-wind regions," says Webber. "Block walls are much more stable and structural cracking much more controllable."

A wood-framed wall stiff enough for high-wind zones requires tightly nailed APA-rated plywood sheathing. OSB, while structurally equivalent, will take longer to get wet if exposed to water, but it will swell, particularly at the edges, and it stays swollen after the panel has dried. If this happens before the stucco gets applied, it may create irregularities in the surface that the plasterer will feel obliged to flatten out to make his work look good. The result is thin spots in the stucco that are prone to cracking.

Drywall first. In a wood-framed structure, drywall must be hung before the lath and scratch coat are applied. The weight of drywall will stress wood framing, causing early settlement cracks, which can be acute if the drywall is hung before the scratch coat has hardened. Avoiding such problems, however, often comes down to a schedule that is easier to set than it is to stick to.

Lath. Block walls do not typically require lath. The surface should be clean and sufficiently damp and rough to ensure a proper bond. But block surfaces vary widely, and not all block bonds well to stucco. Webber always does a test patch to test bond strength. If he's not satisfied, he'll use a bonding agent or apply a Portland cement dash coat of one-and-a-half parts sand to one part Portland cement, then test again. If still not satisfied, he'll apply metal lath to the block.

Metal mesh must be installed with the right side up, or the stucco will slide off the building. At corners, make sure that the lath is not installed too tightly, or the stucco will pop off. Use corner bead for best results (Figure 1). On wood framing, lath must be installed with the long dimension perpendicular to studs. Best practice calls for securing lath with furring nails, which place the lath in the center of the scratch coat. However, the norm over wood framing has moved toward pneumatic staples, which push the lath hard to the structure, limiting its effectiveness.



FiGURE 1. CORNER BEAD. To prevent stucco from popping off at outside corners, use corner bead. An alternative (not shown) is to round the corner, allowing the lath to pooch out and provide plenty of room for stucco to key to the lath. The end result is a rounded corner that may not be compatible with all architectural styles.

Clean sand is the key to creating a strong coat, with either traditional three-coat or one-coat materials (Figure 2). Webber urges all stucco subs to provide verification to builders that they are using sand that conforms to ASTM 897 for gradation and has a minimum SE (sand equivalent) rating of 70. The SE is a designation of the amount of fines in the sand. "Dirty" sand, or sand intentionally mixed with clay to improve workability, will become porous as the clay dissolves, leaving behind air pockets.


FIGURE 2. CLEAN SAND is as important to stucco as a low water-to-cement ratio and dry cement. "Dirty" sand, or sand intentionally mixed with clay to improve workability, will become porous as the clay dissolves, leaving behind air pockets. In humid climates, watch out for older bags of cement. Humidity can partially react with the cement even if the bags have never been opened.

One-coat mixes are suspect, as well. The code allows "up to 10% other materials," Webber reports, but because one-coat systems are proprietary, it's not clear what's in that added 10%. Webber suggests that additives may include surfactants that not only lower strength but also reduce the surface tension of water, making it slippery enough to slide through the smallest pore in a permeable weather barrier. Surfactant compounds include the soap sometimes added by applicators to improve workability.

Scratch coat. The first coat serves as the foundation for the next two coats. It should be harder than the brown coat and requires a richer mix — one part cement to two to four parts sand. Webber recommends Type II cement without lime or other additives. "It's got no body and is hard to spread, but when cured, is super strong," he says (Figure 3).


FIGURE 3. SCRATCH COAT. The first coat should be the hardest, using a rich mix. Stucco contractor Ron Webber recommends a Type II "plastic" cement without lime or other additives for the scratch coat. The mix will have no body and is hard to spread, but applying it with a pump makes this practical and results in the strongest possible base coat.

Before applying the brown coat, Webber verifies the hardness of the scratch coat by dragging a nail over the wall. If the nail does not dig in but leaves a white line, the stucco is hard enough for the brown coat.

Brown coat. This is a leveling coat that provides the flat surface for the finished wall. The brown coat also adds strength and thickness, and it is in large part what determines the quality of the finish. It's a little sandier, at one part cement to three to five parts sand. The increased sand helps reduce the number of shrinkage cracks.

Finish coat. This is what provides the final texture and color (Figure 4). Premixed finish-coat materials usually work fine. Webber recommends steering clear of dark colors, especially reds. Dark colors are prone to spottiness and, if not well blended, will not match the color sample.


FIGURE 4. FINISH COAT. Code requires waiting at least seven days before applying a finish coat. Hairline cracks in this color coat are inevitable, but if the base coats are well cured, these surface cracks will not communicate water through the stucco.

Curing. By code, builders should provide at least 48 hours of curing time after the first coat is applied and wait seven days after the second coat before applying the finish. The critical consideration is that the scratch coat must be hard.

Curing schedules, however, prove to be the Achilles' heel of modern-day stucco. The first and second coats are often installed in the same day to keep the stucco crew on the job site. Except on a handful of custom jobs, it's rare for the end of the job to wait seven days in a fast-paced construction climate. Such are the realities that push Lstiburek to his hard-lined conclusions.

Managing Water
Ultimately, leaks do not matter, Lstiburek contends, if the wall functions as a "drained assembly." Leaks do matter if the wall functions as a "mass assembly," he continues, but the water getting past the stucco can still be managed to avoid problems.

Drained assembly, in this case, refers specifically to stucco over a water-resistive barrier, such as housewrap, asphalt felt, or Grade-D building paper, applied over wood framing. In the western U.S., building codes have caught on to the fact that stucco needs two layers of paper, not just one, to create an effective drainage space, yet such a rule doesn't apply in most coastal jurisdictions. Stucco tends to bond to housewrap and building paper. Without a bond breaker — a second layer to separate the stucco from the weather barrier — water will move right through any permeable membrane. Using paper-backed lath over a housewrap or felt saves time over installing three layers — housewrap, bond breaker, and lath — before stucco can be applied.

Mass assembly refers to a wall made of materials that are not affected by water, like a concrete block coated with stucco. This wall has the capacity to store a lot of water, however. Lstiburek contends that whether intended to work this way or not, once you accept that leaks are unavoidable, this is how a block wall functions. Its water-holding capacity is based on a "rate-storage" relationship. When the rate of wetting exceeds the rate of drying, moisture accumulates in a mass wall. As walls become saturated, as many did in the extreme conditions of the 2004 hurricane season, water soaks through to the inside.

To prevent the water absorbed by a mass assembly from damaging interior materials, Lstiburek recommends forming a stepped-down shelf at the slab edge, strapping interior walls over foam to isolate drywall from the wet wall, and installing a weep screed at the bottom edge of the stucco to allow accumulated water to drain, as shown above (Figure 5). Particularly important is proper detailing for a control joint required where wood-framed walls meet masonry basewalls (Figure 6).


FIGURE 5. MASONRY WALL DETAILS. To manage water that builds up in a leaky block wall, form a step in the foundation edge to direct water that reaches the base of the wall outward, rather than allowing it to seep inside, where it can damage flooring. Isolate a potentially wet masonry wall from interior drywall with a continuous layer of semipermeable foam, such as extruded polystyrene (EPS) and strapping. EPS foam, rather than more impermeable XPS or polyisocyanurate, will allow the wall to dry to both the inside and the outside over time.


FIGURE 6. CONTROL JOINT. Where wood-framed upper walls meet masonry basewalls, code allows a metal expansion joint applied on top of the weather barrier — a detail that allows water that gets past stucco to drain into the basewall. To create a true drainable assembly, flash the joint with a peel-and-stick membrane (A), then apply a weep screed (B). Bring the upper-story weather barrier (C) over the top leg of the weep screed, then apply paper-backed lath, (D) which provides both a bond breaker and reinforcement for the scratch coat.

Lstiburek acknowledges in his report that "Workmanship, quality control, and cure impact the number and extent of shrinkage cracking. Soil conditions, the nature of the materials, geometry, and aspect ratio of mass wall assemblies impact the number and extent of settlement cracking." However, in the end, he urges that despite efforts to control these variables, a builder should expect shrinkage and settlement cracks, and plan to deal with the water in other ways. Regrettably, that's our practical reality. ~



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19 Aug 2010 02:44 AM
Ralph;

good information,  while old school stucco jobs may have been waterproof. I have not seen anything in recent years that would be; probably because of the lower lime content. We must rely on the felt/ wrap barrier and code now requires a double barrier. I have used elastomeric paint on coastal area jobs as additional protection which also will bridge gaps on hairline cracking


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19 Aug 2010 03:39 PM
I am about to have to install a whole lot of lath, so that was good reading Ralph. I never would have known to "round the corners." I probably would have screwed it down way too tight. Soft corners would probably look good on my house anyways.


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20 Aug 2010 08:08 AM
I have seen a lot of bad stucco jobs over the years & used my thermo camera to locate leak problems. And in the end have always ended up using a good water seal elastomeric covering before paint to stop the water problems. I think most of the problems with stucco is to many people taking shortcuts to save money on these projects, instead of doing a proper job...My 2 cents worth


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27 Aug 2010 02:19 PM
Thank you all for the thoughtful responses. They were very helpful. Not only do I think that the problem is solved. But I learned a great deal which is a nice benefit.

The contractor used a thin nylon mesh in the finish coat. He took it upon himself to do this. After reading the posts above, I was comfortable with a normal finish coat. Now there is a bit more insurance. The job looks great and it blends well with the 1932 stucco.

There was a mention above about how old stucco could be waterproof and that there is not enough lime in modern stucco these days. Why? Lime is cheap. Is it harder to work with?


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29 Aug 2010 11:19 PM
That pic u attached.....looks like the cracks are in the base coat.....if you have another coat(color) going on, you probably wont have any cracks when it is finished.


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31 Aug 2010 05:36 PM
To the original poster, do you know if your stucco guy used a regular finish coat? I think the nylon mesh is a good idea, but sounds like the method used with polymer-modified stucco. That would mean a hybrid system, which I always thought sounded like the best scenario, but I think I'm in the minority in these parts on that one.


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31 Aug 2010 06:04 PM
I didn't know until two days ago. He did use a polymer-modified stucco with the mesh on that lower section. Being the neophyte, I cannot tell the difference between the two sections other than a slight color variance. He said that he works with the new stucco often but had not tried the combination. Originally, I had wanted the traditional stucco so that it could coexist with the rest of the house well. Later we got to the expansion joint conversation which left a separation where the chimney and the house meet. So there should be no issues if they expand and contract a little differently.

This was the last meeting with this contractor. He asked if he could bid on the sheet rocking on the interior. He also said that I should consider imperial plaster in order to give it a closer to period look. But that is another thread.


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