Posted By ICFHybrid on 16 Mar 2014 11:43 PM

What is the advantage of minisplits versus window units? It has even less plumbing and duct work. It should be even cheaper.

We use minisplits for heating and cooling. Sounds like they have residential construction issues in Taiwan. That doesn't affect how we use minisplits here.

I guess you forgot about this quote that you gave us.

Posted By ba_icf on 17 Mar 2014 10:47 AM

Posted By ICFHybrid on 16 Mar 2014 11:43 PM

What is the advantage of minisplits versus window units? It has even less plumbing and duct work. It should be even cheaper.

We use minisplits for heating and cooling. Sounds like they have residential construction issues in Taiwan. That doesn't affect how we use minisplits here.

Most of Asia that I have visited is built in the same manner.  Concrete, high rise, multi owner buildings.  When you purchase a new unit, it is just bare concrete walls.  The buyer needs to supply everything else.  This experience is from Taiwan and southern China.  Maybe, it is different in other parts of Asia.  My wife's family has bought units in both places.

I just did a quick search, and I found window units which heat and cool.  Cost less than than $1000.  The solution that approaches $1000 is for 24,000 BTU cooling, 16,000 heating.
Most of the units are less than $500 for 7000 BTU cooling 3500 BTU heating.

http://www.livingdirect.com/window-air-conditioner-heater/Home_Air_Quality-Window_Air_Conditioners-Heat_And_Cool,default,sc.html

So, it has the heating and cooling functions.  It doesn't have the separate compressor unit.  It is cheaper.  Why would you use minisplits over this super simple, super inexpensive solution?  It is definitely a DIY project.  The unit is much cheaper.  The labor is much cheaper, e.g. support it and give it electricity.  The warranty covers the unit which is most of the issue.  No extra refrigeration lines.  No connecting all of the blower units to one compressor.  I think if people are pushing cost and ease of installation, then I can't see how you can beat these window units.

ICFHybrid, I provided lots of data, you just choose not to read anything.

Posted By ICFHybrid on 20 Mar 2014 02:21 AM

You said that your minisplits were used for heating and cooling, and that was why they were better than window units

No. I never said that. You really like jumping to conclusions.

You talk about efficiency and cost and ROI, but when we provide examples to the contrary, you go into a tangent.

I haven't seen you provide anything of value.

In another thread, you question why someone would need radiant with mini split A/C, and then you are doing the same.

You'd have to show us where you thought I did that.

Do you know that the forum data is saved and people can just go back and look up all of the things that you say didn't occur?
I have supplied replies to all three of your statements, but I am sure you will disagree again.

http://www.greenbuildingtalk.com/Forums/tabid/53/aff/21/aft/82062/afv/topic/Default.aspx

LMAO.....

Do you know that the forum data is saved and people can just go back and look up all of the things that you say didn't occur?
I have supplied replies to all three of your statements, but I am sure you will disagree again.

That's right. Just because I type something doesn't mean it is an answer to something you said. For example, I could care less about window units so the notion that I have weighed in on what makes them better or worse is your misperception. It's hard for me to take anything you say too seriously when you grouse about the look of ductless minis and then want to talk about how window units are better. And sending someone to a website selling window units hardly constitutes 'data'.

Posted By ICFHybrid on 20 Mar 2014 04:01 PM

Do you know that the forum data is saved and people can just go back and look up all of the things that you say didn't occur?
I have supplied replies to all three of your statements, but I am sure you will disagree again.

That's right. Just because I type something doesn't mean it is an answer to something you said. For example, I could care less about window units so the notion that I have weighed in on what makes them better or worse is your misperception. It's hard for me to take anything you say too seriously when you grouse about the look of ductless minis and then want to talk about how window units are better. And sending someone to a website selling window units hardly constitutes 'data'.

You reference my statement, but then say it isn't an answer to my question.  then why include my statement.  I think most people would assume that it is an answer to the quoted question.  I guess you are different.  I guess that is how you want to view it.  I don't think it is a perception issue.  

We need to help you on your reading comprehension.  At the time, we were talking about the great advantages of mini splits with regards to cost and ease of installation and numerous other advantages of them.  I proposed that a window unit did everything that a minisplit did for lower unit cost, lower labor cost, etc.  the only disagreement was noise and possibly longevity.  yes, they are both ugly.  it doesn't change the fact that we were discussing ROI and functionality.  you seem to  think that window units are far inferior to mini splits, but to some of us, we think they are in the same general category.  i really can't see the difference if i made a dedicated hole in my wall to install a window unit versus a minisplit in terms of functionality and capacity.  Please enlighten me.

I provided tonnage, cost, heating and cooling information, etc.  but if all you saw was a link to a buying site, then I guess I can't really say much to that.