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27 Jan 2010 07:59 AM
Sorry, I did not check before sending. In case you need clarification, I meant 170 degrees. I guess the "1" stuck. So, for the ones taking notes for the test on Friday--it is 170 degrees, not 70 degrees
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27 Jan 2010 08:23 AM

guest sorry for the name calling but over the last 8 years you are not the first to get on here and think they have a revelation, so it remains to be seen.
you are still writing "facts" but again............

please give us the source for your statement of fact that EPS offgasses at room temp?

Did you know that most or all  EPS /SIPS use self extinguising foam, it will not suppport combsution on its own.

WE are not using our EPS sips core to be in contact with food so what is the revelence to a building material?

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27 Jan 2010 08:26 AM
Guest ;

I can't make it any plainer than this - if you have a written study that says EPS off gasses at room temp.

Then just post it, otherwise you have no credibity
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27 Jan 2010 09:15 AM

Guest,

First IF you want to have a good dialog, use a real name.

Second, Poor air quality inside houses has been an ongoing source of discussion for a very long time.  Mold, CO, CO2, excess moisture, radon, formaldehyde, emissions from common cleaning products, cooking meat over a high heat, smoking, pet dander, volatiles from paint, leakage from woodstoves, flatulence,  are all problematic and sources of indoor pollution.

Third, proper mechanical ventilation in conjunction with good building practices produces a healthy home as long as the air outside is reasonable by dilution of indoor contaminants.    

Yes I trust mechanical ventilation.  I trust my heating system also.  I use an ERV set to a baseline of 0.35 ACH, plus point exhaust fans in the bathroom (on a timer with a 30 minute run time setting), and Kitchen range fan.  I also believe in using products (whenever practical) that don’t contain VOC’s, using a sealed combustion boiler for heating, etc.  I always wash new sheets blankets, etc several times in hot water to decrease the levels of fire retardants in them for the same reason.

Simply making blanket statements like EPS off gasses at elevated temperatures  and  well air sealed homes are problems paints a very superficial  picture.

Thymol is a dangerous substance.  When you use it in the lab, you need to take reasonable protective measures.  Makes a lot of sense that it is banned from all food products right?  Except for the fact that it is the active ingredient in mouthwash like Listerine.  Every time you eat food that uses thyme for seasoning, you are ingesting it.  Are we all going to get sick from eating thyme and rosemary seasoned chicken? No.  If I took a good swig of a bottle of concentrated thymol, I would be a very sick dude though.    Get the difference?
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27 Jan 2010 10:19 AM
Even re-closed bottles and cans of cleaning solutions and paints release VOCs. I agree, use an ERV 24x7 and open the windows whenever feasible. Some type of warning system for a failed ERV is probably a good idea.

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27 Jan 2010 11:48 AM
Fact is, EPS offgasses very little---at room temperature.

please show the proof for that statement!

Chris,
I think you must have read this and missed the fact that it says that EPS offgasses VERY LITTLE
It does not say it off gasses a lot.
I know how it is, come home tired from a long day breathing fumes from the hot knife, some guy asks a question everyone wants to be hush hush about------
Don't mind me--if you are comfortable it is nothing to me. I just asked a question that, given the obvious rumblings out there, are you comfortable with reliance upon a mechnical system. If you are then fine. Everyone needs to read things that are available and decide for themselves. Take a hair dryer and smell for yourself--do not melt it just heat it up.
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27 Jan 2010 01:39 PM
Posted By guest on 01/27/2010 11:48 AM
Fact is, EPS offgasses very little---at room temperature.

please show the proof for that statement!

Chris,
I think you must have read this and missed the fact that it says that EPS offgasses VERY LITTLE
It does not say it off gasses a lot.
I know how it is, come home tired from a long day breathing fumes from the hot knife, some guy asks a question everyone wants to be hush hush about------
Don't mind me--if you are comfortable it is nothing to me. I just asked a question that, given the obvious rumblings out there, are you comfortable with reliance upon a mechnical system. If you are then fine. Everyone needs to read things that are available and decide for themselves. Take a hair dryer and smell for yourself--do not melt it just heat it up.
guest;

I did not miss VERY LITTLE.......... please post your source that says it "off gasses very little"
I think it is as suspected ....you don't have it.

We are not hush, hush about anything, if you have some credible info then PLEASE post it, so far you cannot back up your claims

I you knew anything about who I am or what I do you would know that I am not "dain bramaged" from smelling fumes,we use a cold piano wire for cutting EPS.

Is the hair dyer on EPS the "heavy stuff" we have been waiting for?

How do we know from that high tech test its not the the hair dryer making the smell?

Please explain to us how a hot hair dryer has any bearing on EPS insulation encased in SIP wall/roof?
FYI -I manage to have coffee daily in an EPS cup with out passing out from the offgassing

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27 Jan 2010 06:09 PM
Ok, I understand what you are saying.
That was a quote from one of the articles I sent.
I don't write the stuff I just did a study by typing in search criteria into a search engine.
EPS is the best availible choice for now.
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28 Jan 2010 11:41 AM
Where do these Wackjobs come from?
....jc<br>If you're not building with OSB SIPS(or ICF's), why are you building?
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29 Jan 2010 06:05 AM
I think Mr. " House built of embalming fluid and firewood" is back! with a new avatar
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29 Jan 2010 06:12 AM
Brawler;

could be................  after looking up the definition of fanatic, "crank" was more appropriate, but the test is today, can hardly wait!
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